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Erik Larsen
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They could certainly collect all of the Mick Anglo's Marvelman stuff from the '50s--not that most readers will care a whole lot about a Captain Marvel knockoff but it's going to get pretty messy if they try and reprint the Moore or Gaiman Miracleman stuff--and that's the only stuff people really care about.
If they skip that and update Marvelman and avoid the other stuff--will fans really care?
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B. Clay Moore
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| Posted: Mon Jul 27, 2009 12:40 pm Post subject: |
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| Erik Larsen wrote: | They could certainly collect all of the Mick Anglo's Marvelman stuff from the '50s--not that most readers will care a whole lot about a Captain Marvel knockoff but it's going to get pretty messy if they try and reprint the Moore or Gaiman Miracleman stuff--and that's the only stuff people really care about.
If they skip that and update Marvelman and avoid the other stuff--will fans really care? |
Yeah...is it worth it to build hype around the character if they're not reprinting the Moore and Gaiman stuff?
I don't see how it could be. I suppose they could incorporate him into the Marvel Universe (depending on the specifics of their deal) and try to create new buzz.
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Erik Larsen
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| Posted: Mon Jul 27, 2009 1:11 pm Post subject: |
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| B. Clay Moore wrote: | Yeah...is it worth it to build hype around the character if they're not reprinting the Moore and Gaiman stuff?
I don't see how it could be. I suppose they could incorporate him into the Marvel Universe (depending on the specifics of their deal) and try to create new buzz. |
Is DC--who sued Fawcett because Captain Marvel was too similar to Superman going to be cool with Marvel collecting all of the Marvelman stuff--considering the fact that Marvelman is a far more blatant a knockoff of Captain Marvel, a character that they now own?
Marvel seems as though they wanted a big announcement and that Marvelman would generate a lot of buzz but without the Moore material--Marvelman is just another shitty knockoff. If they have to start over in order to stay out of court--who's going to give a shit? Alan Moore's not going to write it and as much as folks say they love Neil Gaiman--his Marvel superhero stuff has been greeted with lukewarm sales and he did not make a significant splash when he did Miracleman all those years ago.
Marvelman's best days were at Warrior Magazine, when the strip ran in black and white. The stories were great--the art was great--and that run was incredible. It lost a lot when it went to Eclipse. The color was subpar when they collected the Marvelman material and the new artists weren't as strong. The stories got progressively less interesting.
I can't help but think that Marvel's new Marvelman will disappoint. Fans will be unenthusiastic about the reprints and if they don't have the Moore material--they'll wonder what all the fuss was about. Even with the Moore stuff--you're looking at a handful of outstanding comics before it starts to fall apart.
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zenreaper
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God I hope they don't bring him into the Marvel U - but that's a definite possibility I'm afraid.
As long as they get Moore, Davis, Gaiman, Buckingham, and the others to agree - there shouldn't be any obstacles to reprinting that stuff.
At least to my knowldge anyway - my info's from the notoriously unreliable internet  but none that stuff was work for hire so they just need everyone to agree - and the only one who might not be so inclined is Davis I think.
Given his relationship to Moore, and his (as I understand it) justifiable bitterness about Eclipse reprinting his stuff, that part might be tough.
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Marvelman's best days were at Warrior Magazine, when the strip ran in black and white. The stories were great--the art was great--and that run was incredible. It lost a lot when it went to Eclipse. The color was subpar when they collected the Marvelman material |
That warrior stuff was lovely. That and Cerebus were the titles that showed me the world outside of Marvel & DC. |
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Erik Larsen
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| zenreaper wrote: | | Given his relationship to Moore, and his (as I understand it) justifiable bitterness about Eclipse reprinting his stuff, that part might be tough. |
I don't recall Moore being bitter about Eclipse--Moore wrote Miracleman for Eclipse. The thing is that Eclipse owned part of the property and that was sold to Todd McFarlane--so things are likely to get messy.
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zenreaper
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Sorry - poorly worded on my part, I to that fact that Davis was bitter about the Eclipse reprints. He stated in response to things said in the Kimota! book that they were reprinted without his consent, he went so far as to say they stole his art.
No idea about the validity of the claim, he just seemed pretty bitter about it.
And sorry if I'm hammering on the thread during my first day on your forums, just home sick from work and bored to tears
Yeah I'm not 100% on the Eclipse ownership thing - my understanding was that the 60% or whatever Eclipse thought they owned of the character was awarded to Anglo - I could be wrong on that (again - source of info's been the internet so please pardon any unintentional ignorance).
The actual rights to the work done should (again, just as I understand it) be covered by the standard Eclipse contracts - I mean Gene Colan could have "Stewart the Rat" reprinted without Todd McFarlane's permission couldn't he? (assuming whoever inherited Gerber's part approved of course)
BTW - thanks for your time, it's fascinating talking to you guys directly about this stuff.
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Mike Daniels
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Although the notion of reprinting the stuff may be messy, Marvel can use Moore's Warrior/Miracleman scripts and get a new 'hot' artist to draw the series or maybe get Marvel exclusive Alan Davis to draw all the series (with the exception of the Warpsmiths and the Firestarter guy depending on wether a deal can be reached with Leach/Tottleben).
Moore has recently given his blessing to this previously in a recent interview on the Forbidden Planet Blog provided Mick Anglo rather than himself was the monetary beneficiary.
Marvel already have Gaiman so there shouldn't be any problem reusing his scripts possibly with the 'new' artist drawing them for continuity's sake or Buckingham re-drawing them.
Whilst I still think the notion of Marvel now owning Marvelman is anathema to 'creator's rights' and in particular Gaiman's bleatings (who had no problem working on Anglo's MM even though Anglo was unaware of this and recieved nothing from Gaiman's work featuring his characters, had no problem taking a chunk of another creator's character rather than any rights to MM and produced NEIL GAIMAN'S Eternals in return for Marvel funding his 'Creator's Rights' court case), Marvel are the only folks to pony up and look after Mick Anglo CREATOR OF MARVELMAN as I wish Todd had done years ago.
So all in all this is a blow for Creator's Rights but a case of Marvel being the only folks to do the right thing and now they (not Image  ) will be able to publish (albeit in a snazzy newly illustrated and coloured form) Moore's brilliant Marvelman (and Gaiman's tepid follow up).
Looks like Marvel have finally gotten their Watchmen.
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zenreaper
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| Posted: Mon Jul 27, 2009 3:07 pm Post subject: |
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| Well said! |
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Thomas
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| Erik Larsen wrote: | | zenreaper wrote: | | I'm glad in the end that creator's rights won out. |
Huh?
Marvel owns it and that's creator's rights "winning out?" |
In bizzarro world. |
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zenreaper
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| Aw man, you changed your post about the tracing being art thing! Now my joke about Greg Land orgasm faces just looked.. bizarre. |
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Thomas
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| zenreaper wrote: | | Aw man, you changed your post about the tracing being art thing! Now my joke about Greg Land orgasm faces just looked.. bizarre. |
Sorry.  |
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zenreaper
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Heh - no problem man.  |
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Jim Purcell
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| Posted: Mon Jul 27, 2009 7:35 pm Post subject: |
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| Erik Larsen wrote: | They could certainly collect all of the Mick Anglo's Marvelman stuff from the '50s--not that most readers will care a whole lot about a Captain Marvel knockoff but it's going to get pretty messy if they try and reprint the Moore or Gaiman Miracleman stuff--and that's the only stuff people really care about.
If they skip that and update Marvelman and avoid the other stuff--will fans really care? |
I fully expect Marvel to try to force lightning to strike twice by doing a huge relaunch of Marvel Man in the Moore mold.
I predict late issues, stiff painted art, generally completely missing the point in fan interest, and eventual pittering out as interest dies from these previously mentioned reasons. |
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Thomas
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Thomas
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| Erik Larsen wrote: | They could certainly collect all of the Mick Anglo's Marvelman stuff from the '50s--not that most readers will care a whole lot about a Captain Marvel knockoff but it's going to get pretty messy if they try and reprint the Moore or Gaiman Miracleman stuff--and that's the only stuff people really care about.
If they skip that and update Marvelman and avoid the other stuff--will fans really care? |
They could probably have new writers an artists 'trace' the basic story and then pick up from where it ended orginally somehow. |
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