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Grant
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| razaksroughnecks wrote: | | Geez, apparently this guy is "one of the most sought after heroes in graphic fiction" and I've NEVER seen him or heard his name before. Do I live on Planet Glum or something? Is this guy really that popular? |
It's the association with Alan Moore and it's his first superhero work and that fact it's been out of print for so long it's built kind of a mystique. |
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Eddie Kasik
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| razaksroughnecks wrote: | | ... I've NEVER seen him or heard his name before. |
Don't you own the Image Hardcover that Savage Dragon #0 first appeared in?
MarvelMan/MiracleMan was (kind of) in the Spawn story.
(Now that I think about it, wasn't Todd's use of MM part of the reason that the Image HC was delayed for as long as it was?) |
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Justin Crouse
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I bought Miracleman #2-6, and #9 at the Heroes Convention back in June, and I must say it was a great reading experience. It really is an obvious precursor to Watchmen in that Moore took an established character and reworked the mythos into something much more complex and sophisticated. It was quite an enjoyable book, and I'd like to read the rest of Alan's stories, but I don't think I'd care much to read Gaiman's run, and he's the big proponent of getting the stuff out there. As far as I understand, he wants to take it to Marvel so they can revert back to the original Marvelman name, as opposed to the compromised moniker of Miracleman.
All that said, the damn thing did live up to its reputation. Good stuff. |
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Stefan
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| Posted: Sun Jul 26, 2009 2:09 pm Post subject: |
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| razaksroughnecks wrote: | | Geez, apparently this guy is "one of the most sought after heroes in graphic fiction" and I've NEVER seen him or heard his name before. Do I live on Planet Glum or something? Is this guy really that popular? |
Thank god I´m not the only one. I´ve been reading comics for nearly 20 years now and never heard about this character. Heh. |
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Adam Viklund
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| Posted: Sun Jul 26, 2009 6:29 pm Post subject: |
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| Eddie Kasik wrote: | | razaksroughnecks wrote: | | ... I've NEVER seen him or heard his name before. |
Don't you own the Image Hardcover that Savage Dragon #0 first appeared in?
MarvelMan/MiracleMan was (kind of) in the Spawn story.
(Now that I think about it, wasn't Todd's use of MM part of the reason that the Image HC was delayed for as long as it was?) |
I actually have owned it TWICE, (sold my whole collection off to pay dental bills... ) but I've never read Todd's story. I've just never been a fan of Spawn. Isn't it basically a text story too? That could also have a lot to do why I never bothered.
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zenreaper
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Yeah. Apparently Warrior didn't even have the rights when Alan Moore starting writing the character. So it was pretty messy from the start. I'd imagine it'll be even messier when they start talking to individual creators. |
And the irony is that no one ever thought Quality or Eclipse owned 100% of the character rights anyway - when they went belly up Eclipse believed they owned 60% of the character.
So far all of the creators who've been involved are on board - Moore just asked that any money from reprints of his first stuff go to Mick Anglo. Not sure if Alan Davis has said anything, I know he's always been quite upset about Eclipse reprinting his work from Quality without permission.
Not enthusiastic about what Marvel might have in mind for the character (I mean - ugh!) but I'm just glad that the legal tangles are over, and Anglo was allowed to do with the rights to his creation as HE saw fit.
It was his creation after all.
The fact that anyone fought these outcomes at all is an embarrassment to the industry. I'm glad in the end that creator's rights won out. Mick Anglo got the rights to HIS creation, and did as he wished with them.
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Erik Larsen
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| Posted: Mon Jul 27, 2009 9:06 am Post subject: |
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| zenreaper wrote: | | I'm glad in the end that creator's rights won out. |
Huh?
Marvel owns it and that's creator's rights "winning out?"
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B. Clay Moore
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| Posted: Mon Jul 27, 2009 9:11 am Post subject: |
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| Stefan wrote: | | razaksroughnecks wrote: | | Geez, apparently this guy is "one of the most sought after heroes in graphic fiction" and I've NEVER seen him or heard his name before. Do I live on Planet Glum or something? Is this guy really that popular? |
Thank god I´m not the only one. I´ve been reading comics for nearly 20 years now and never heard about this character. Heh. |
Alan Moore's MARVELMAN (published here as MIRACLEMAN) is one of a handful of essential comic book reads. Hugely influential, and, to my mind, absolutely brilliant, even if the impact has been watered down by imitation in the ensuing years.
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Adam Viklund
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| B. Clay Moore wrote: | Alan Moore's MARVELMAN (published here as MIRACLEMAN) is one of a handful of essential comic book reads. Hugely influential, and, to my mind, absolutely brilliant, even if the impact has been watered down by imitation in the ensuing years.
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OK, Miracleman I've heard of. Never read it but at least I've heard of it. Was Marvelman the UK name?
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zenreaper
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| Erik Larsen wrote: |
Huh?
Marvel owns it and that's creator's rights "winning out?" |
Winning out in the sense that the creators are allowed to with their property as they wish.
Do I wish Anglo had sold to someone else?
Sure.
But it's his choice, not mine or anyone else's and I'm glad his rights were legally protected. I'd hope everyone would support that!
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OK, Miracleman I've heard of. Never read it but at least I've heard of it. Was Marvelman the UK name? |
Yup - when Eclipse began reprinting the stuff from Warrior Magazine, Marvel legally threatened them and they had to change the name to "Miracleman" - ahhh, irony! |
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B. Clay Moore
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Yeah, Marvelman was a straight-up Captain Marvel rip-off published in Britain after the rights to the original Marvel Family were lost when DC acquired the rights to Captain Marvel in 1954. (got that?)
Moore's "update" can be seen as his post-modern update on the Marvel Family, just as his SUPREME was his take on sixties Superman.
Marvelman started with a DC lawsuit against Fawcett, and is now owned by Marvel Comics.
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zenreaper
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Yup - man what a tangled route this whole thing went down.
From what I understand Michael Moorcock was the one who first started pointing out Anglo still had the rights as he'd once worked in Anglo's studio.
Those Anglo tales certainly aren't to everyone's taste, but having read a small sampling of them a few years back I thought they were a lot of fun, but I really enjoy that sort of weirdness.
By the by Mr. Moore - not to be all gushy fanboy but Hawaiian Dick's an awesome read! (yeah that probably belongs in your creator thread, sorry!) |
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B. Clay Moore
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| zenreaper wrote: |
By the by Mr. Moore - not to be all gushy fanboy but Hawaiian Dick's an awesome read! (yeah that probably belongs in your creator thread, sorry!) |
Thanks! I'll take it in any thread I can get it.
More Dick on the horizon.
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zenreaper
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Mike Daniels
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| Erik Larsen wrote: | | zenreaper wrote: | | I'm glad in the end that creator's rights won out. |
Huh?
Marvel owns it and that's creator's rights "winning out?" |
Sums up my feelings, and I bloody posted YEARS AGO (post the Gaiman trial) that McFarlane should contact and buyout Mick Anglo!!!
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