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Abhay!
Joined: 25 Oct 2008 Posts: 881
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Posted: Wed Nov 12, 2008 10:54 am Post subject: |
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I continue to enjoy / be impressed with the House Next Door's comics column. This installment is all about the relationship of comics to cartography...? I don't agree with all of it, but I really like how willing he is to try to wrap his arms around everything all at once, cramming opinions into every nook and cranny. I don't quite understand the point of many of the digressions, but... I like digressions so... _________________ 2 Live Crew. |
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John G

Joined: 02 May 2005 Posts: 1186 Location: Cleveland, Ohio
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Posted: Wed Nov 12, 2008 11:24 am Post subject: |
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I am both Spider-Man and Iron Man. Now you know.
Oh, also: I'm Rulk. |
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Abhay!
Joined: 25 Oct 2008 Posts: 881
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Posted: Thu Nov 13, 2008 12:39 pm Post subject: |
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and waiting for a phone call...
that new Jill Thompson book's some good looking comics. It's a kids comic so I haven't read it, but I flipped through it a a bookstore the other day-- she really did a very nice job on that one. fun drawings, upbeat colors-- really nice.
a bunch of comics I'd never heard of at the bookstore. Ted Naifeh did a book with the Spiderwick Chronicles author? I'm not a Naifeh fan but it was some decent looking stuff, polished-- didn't catch who the publisher on that was. maybe that's been talked about and I wasn't paying attention.
Watchmen is fucking *everywhere*. It makes my heart hurt a little. Getting a copy of that book when I was a kid was -- I had to track that one down and it was a whole ordeal. To see it everywhere now... it was #3 on the best-selling books table at Barnes and Noble. #3!
Jeff Parker started a column for process junkies over at CBR.
MST3K reunion interview. The interviewer remembers " the one with Cesar Romero, and it's just endless rock-climbing footage" which-- shit, I remember that one... rock climbing!
here's a pretty neat short comic from Ed Subitzky, one of the founders of National Lampoon. I don't know enough about the old Lampoon...
from the Beat: Obama likes to doodle...? Good times.
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rieber
Joined: 09 Oct 2007 Posts: 82
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Posted: Fri Nov 14, 2008 8:55 am Post subject: |
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i'm pretty sure that scholastic published that holly black/ted naifeh GN. (also pretty sure that the title is something like 'kin: good neighbors'. book one of a trilogy?)
she has a poetic, highly textured prose style in the three YA novels (tithe, valiant, and ironside) to which the GN is a sequel of sorts. i was really interested in the ways that sensibility alternately translated and didn't translate in the four comic pages i've seen; i'd love to see what the script looked like. |
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r_sail

Joined: 08 Jun 2006 Posts: 1909
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Posted: Sat Nov 15, 2008 11:02 pm Post subject: |
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Anybody see that preview of the Youngblood Hard Cover?
I guess Joe Casey re wrote it? I dunno, I haven't been into anything Joe did in a while, but... I guess they re sized the balloons to fit the new words, or look better, or flow through the page better?
Anybody see the HUGE sections of line art missing where the old balloons were? |
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CosmicPencil

Joined: 03 Nov 2005 Posts: 2614 Location: Sylmar, California
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Posted: Sun Nov 16, 2008 12:24 am Post subject: |
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I guess I am somewhat out of the loop when it is considering mainstream books. I don't know when it came out, but today I picked up The Immortal Iron Fist: Orson Randall and the Death Queen of California one-shot.
When did Fraction stop this book and who is Duane Swierczynski? It's some nice writing, although I'm not familiar with whom the new writer is. I do like the artwork done by Giuseppe Camuncoli, the original reason I did pick this up. He seems to be something between Jim Lee and Pascal Ferry or somewhere along those lines. His art has evolved since the first time I had seen his work.
The story is a noir take on a different Iron Fist. While I haven't read the Iron Fist regularly, I do like the aspect of all the different Iron Fists from different timelines drawn by different artists. It does seem to make the book different than the majority of the mainstream books out there. I guess I could see myself getting the Iron Fist stuff in trade eventually. Is there anyone reading Iron Fist that has any thoughts on it?
Also picked up some Joe Kelly Spider-man for the hell of it, since it was a very small week. It was actually very tongue-in-cheek fun although I still find myself scratching my head with Chris Bachalo and his artistic evolution. It seems as if the style he evolved into on Captain America is staying for a bit. It just seems so busy at times...
Also picked up Remender and Nguyen's Gigantic which was a really fun ride. I am picking up all three of Remender's Dark Horse books and they hit high notes for me every time I pick them up. I just hope all the work that Rick is doing in the industry doesn't tap him out. He's got a very fresh voice in the comic industry and his creator-owned work is some of my favorite work from him.
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Abhay!
Joined: 25 Oct 2008 Posts: 881
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Posted: Mon Nov 17, 2008 3:37 pm Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | and who is Duane Swierczynski? |
Crime novelist. Wrote a book called Severance Package. Also writes Cable for Marvel. Part of the wave of crime guys at Marvel right now-- him, Huston, Hurwitz, I think some other guys.
Lying in the Gutters this week is something... Morrison having to rewrite the end of Final Crisis? James Robinson quitting the DCU? A Gears of War comic doing over 450,000 copies? Judd Winnick still getting work as a writer??? You know: gossip, not all of it true, but... I'm entertained while eating my lunchtime garlic noodles.
Plus, from there: The Bendis-Fraction-Brubaker-Loeb-some-other-guy Comic Book Club is on youtube?
Also: LAWYERING!!! aaHHHHHH! dammit... nothing ever goes smoothly.
It's European Comics week in New York...?What a world. Do you ever think: It's a shame all this neat comic stuff is happening while civilization is falling apart. Maybe future generations will look back at this as one of the symptoms, you know? "Then, they poisoned their own environment, and started wars they couldn't afford, and borrowed too much money and-- oh yeah, they got way too into comic books, and then the rapture happened, and ZOMBIES."
(Speaking of European comics, I liked when they showed Mclovin reading the Ignatz book in Role Models... that was the Igort book Baobab he was reading, right? Usually, they have kids reading really crappy comics in movies...)
I liked the Evan Dorkin rant, but I also liked the defense of the National crowd from the Occasional lady. I just like stuff. Words.
Okay, late lunch over. _________________ 2 Live Crew. |
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r_sail

Joined: 08 Jun 2006 Posts: 1909
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Posted: Mon Nov 17, 2008 4:30 pm Post subject: |
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The thing about that Dorkin bit tha bothered me was:
| Quote: | | Older, balding, grizzled, overweight, zombified manboys in t-shirts and faded old clothes, |
I dunno... how can you knock someone for getting old? That happens to everyone.
How can you knock a guy for balding? He already got dealt a pretty fucking shitty card on that one, and now you're going to shit on him for it? That's fucked up.
And t-shirts? Oh man, the audacity of these guys. How dare they wear t-shirts to a formal event like a fucking comic book convention. What's he going to say when the young beautiful hip kids and women he wishes were there show up in... t-shirts?!
What the fuck is wrong with t-shirts? It's not a black tie event, lighten the fuck up. I bet there's Milk and Cheese t-shirts out there... some of them might even be faded.
I bet Dorkin wears t-shirts. I bet if these guys didn't buy his books he wouldn't be able to buy his fancy shirts with buttons to wear to the black tie comic con.
And fuck him, you know? Where's he get off commenting on how people dress? I wear dress shirts and ties at work. maybe on MY day off, I want to wear something casual. I thought I was at the con to buy shit, not impress creators. I dunno... that's sad that he's so uppity on people because he didn't like how the con was run. That's too bad he has to sound like such an elitist dick, when I'm sure he's probably a prefectly nice person.
It's probably mostly just misdirected anger. That happens to everyone, but...
In the end Dorkin probably would be working in the deli if it weren't for these people as much as, if not more than any young thin clean shaven 20 something in a shirt with buttons like myself.
I dunno, you can't pick your fans anymore than you can pick your family. |
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Drew Bell

Joined: 17 Apr 2006 Posts: 1061 Location: Portland, OR
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Posted: Mon Nov 17, 2008 5:43 pm Post subject: |
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| r_sail wrote: | The thing about that Dorkin bit tha bothered me was:
| Quote: | | Older, balding, grizzled, overweight, zombified manboys in t-shirts and faded old clothes, |
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You can't pick on one line out of a piece that long and ignore the context, though. He gives enough specifics to indicate he isn't picking on the concept of T-shirts.
| r_sail wrote: | | I dunno, you can't pick your fans anymore than you can pick your family. |
But you can bemoan the state of the industry's fandom in general, when it's a toxic, depressing environment that's hostile to outsiders and growth. |
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r_sail

Joined: 08 Jun 2006 Posts: 1909
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Posted: Mon Nov 17, 2008 6:15 pm Post subject: |
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I just thought that part of it was pretty fucking petty and irrelevant to his valid complaints about the convention itself and the industry as a whole.
I dunno... it's in pretty bad taste to shit on the people who make it possible for you to do what you do. You don't have to like those people, but you do have to appreciate the contribution they've made to your career.
And if that's not something you can deal with than go open Dorkin's Deli and serve milk and cheese.
| Quote: | | But you can bemoan the state of the industry's fandom in general, when it's a toxic, depressing environment that's hostile to outsiders and growth. |
See, I just don't think fans are directly to blame as much as some people would like to think. But, whatever. |
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seth hurley
Joined: 20 Jun 2007 Posts: 214
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Posted: Mon Nov 17, 2008 6:26 pm Post subject: |
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Dorkin didn't seem to shit on the people who allow him to do what he does, he made a point to thank those people and say they were the one good thing about the show.
It's everything else about the show he derides, the manifestation of his own Eltingville Club in a show that doesn't seem, by many accounts, to have changed much in thirty years. Or have any desire to change.
If anything, Dorkin is guilty of deciding to get off that particular train one stop too late.
so yeah, old fat bald greasy mouthbreathers with no boundaries and enormous backpacks...fish, meet barrel.
impotent rage is still funny.
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r_sail

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Posted: Mon Nov 17, 2008 6:31 pm Post subject: |
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I think all but that one paragraph of his rant is perfectly valid.
That one just seemed out of place and irrelevant to anything else he had to say.
and mybe that's just me. |
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Ivan Brandon

Joined: 31 Oct 2006 Posts: 4395
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Posted: Mon Nov 17, 2008 7:51 pm Post subject: |
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| r_sail wrote: | | See, I just don't think fans are directly to blame as much as some people would like to think. But, whatever. |
yeah, you're ignoring the context of the conversation altogether. he's not blaming fans for the state of the industry, he's talking about a specific group of people standing in front of him on a particular day, which: i was there, those people, some of them, were pretty scary. people kinda should shower and so on, when they go outside of their houses. there was a guy who literally was walking around with his hand in his pants under his belt.
and yeah: no one wants to be around that. _________________ -i.
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Abhay!
Joined: 25 Oct 2008 Posts: 881
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Posted: Mon Nov 17, 2008 9:55 pm Post subject: |
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Maybe there's something really wrong with his hand. maybe he was doing people a favor because his hand's all, like, fucked up. like, he just has a vomit-claw for a hand, and ... and he can't really hide a vomit-claw in a glove because they don't build gloves for vomit-claws, so he hides it the only place he can hide it: by his balls. Maybe it's this amazing sacrifice that he's making. you know: on account of his vomit-claw.
that guy could've been some kind of tragic hero, and Evan Dorkin would never know.
finally sat down with Red Colored Elegy. really kind of rattling around in my head. I can see the French New Wave comparisons.
I kind of wish it'd come with some kind of critical writing though, putting it in a historical context-- it seems like there's a story around the comic that's interesting that... I'd rather have seen from the book than going to look for it on the web now. (EDIT: apparently every review ever written for this book has made this same complaint and I am a shitty cliche of a human being; Evan Dorkin, you were right!!!)
I'm not ... not sure how I feel about the story though just because-- I felt very aware while I was reading of the male filter on the relationship, you know? it's a little angry-young-man-ish in places. But I'm not sure how much of that's... that's just in my own head. I guess any relationship thing from a guy, I always wonder what the "real" story is, just knowing how... how things get filtered...
interesting book, though. nice drawings-- interesting storytelling ideas. but-- i don't know yet. just... just rattling around in my head.
Oh, neat: the internet found the red colored elegy song...
-abhay
read this really nice short story too tonight-- kelly link's "magic for beginners"...? apparently it won some of the big science fiction awards. You can find other stuff from her here, but not that story, so... oh well. EDIT: Here's the short story. I think it's pretty good, actually, if you're okay with fantasy-ish stories... _________________ 2 Live Crew. |
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seth hurley
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Posted: Tue Nov 18, 2008 10:51 am Post subject: |
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| I really like Tom Spurgeon's line regarding The Demon: "it's Kirby at that point in his career where if he stood up too quickly a planet fell out of his pocket" |
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